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Childish Games Played in the Congress and the Senate

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Childish Games Played in the Congress and the Senate

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Childish Games Played in the Congress and the Senate

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    The whole world thought Congress and the Senate had finally pulled it going to give up their childish games for the greater good of the country; that He’s telling Boehner that he’s not going to play the GOP game anymore.

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    Not for the whole Congress– just the Senate. a minimum, and played silly games with the Federal budget that torpedoed our national credit Federal budgets for years, a ridiculously childish game that has brought budget debate to a halt.

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    to watch members of the U.S. Congress from both sides play childish games. The Senate’s bi-partisan “Gang of Six” has used the wise recommendations of

American law makers, both sides of aisle, must stop playing childish games. The matter of US debt burden is real and needs a common effort to be reduced before it blows the whole US economy to dust.

I am serious.

…and I am Sid Harth@webworldismyoyster,com

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The House passed the Mulvaney-Frank amendment to the military budget

last night.The House approved a nearly $606 billion Pentagon budget bill Thursday evening after agreeing to cap core defense appropriations at 2012 levels — $1.1 billion below what was recommended by the Republican leadership.The freeze marks a modest but still important turning point in the budget wars with 89 Republicans joining 158 Democrats on the key 247-167 vote.

Indeed, the final bill — approved 326-90 — remains more than $6 billion over the stricter defense caps set in the Budget Control Act for the Pentagon. But the GOP support garnered by Mulvaney on his amendment and earlier votes on Pakistan and Afghanistan funding reflected a greater willingness by Republicans to cut from security appropriations.

The freeze amendment brings the core Pentagon appropriations back to about $518.1 billion, $1.1 billion below what was recommended by the leadership. At the same time, a second pot of $88.2 billion in emergency war-related funds was cut by about $825 million in the course of the two-day floor debate.

Much as it resisted the Mulvaney-Frank freeze, that loss for the Appropriations Committee leadership was more the exception — not the rule.

Deeper cuts proposed by liberal Democrats were easily defeated in most cases, and the underlying funding for military operations was never in any serious jeopardy.

http://www.nj.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2012/07/house_oks_606b_defense_budget.html

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    The whole world thought Congress and the Senate had finally pulled it going to give up their childish games for the greater good of the country; that He’s telling Boehner that he’s not going to play the GOP game anymore.

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    Not for the whole Congress– just the Senate. a minimum, and played silly games with the Federal budget that torpedoed our national credit Federal budgets for years, a ridiculously childish game that has brought budget debate to a halt.

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    2 days ago – Not for the whole Congress– just the Senate. and played silly games with the Federal budget that torpedoed our national credit budgets for years, a ridiculously childish game that has brought budget debate to a halt.

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American law makers, both sides of aisle, must stop playing childish games. The matter of US debt burden is real and needs a common effort to be reduced before it blows the whole US economy to dust.

I am serious.

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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:53 PM

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The House passed the Mulvaney-Frank amendment to the military budget

last night.The House approved a nearly $606 billion Pentagon budget bill Thursday evening after agreeing to cap core defense appropriations at 2012 levels — $1.1 billion below what was recommended by the Republicanleadership.The freeze marks a modest but still important turning point in the budget wars with 89 Republicans joining 158 Democratson the key 247-167 vote.Indeed, the final bill — approved 326-90 — remains more than $6 billion over the stricter defense caps set in the Budget Control Act for the Pentagon. But the GOP support garnered by Mulvaney on his amendment and earlier votes on Pakistan and Afghanistan funding reflected a greater willingness by Republicans to cut from security appropriations.The freeze amendment brings the core Pentagon appropriations back to about $518.1 billion, $1.1 billion below what was recommended by the leadership. At the same time, a second pot of $88.2 billion in emergency war-related funds was cut by about $825 million in the course of the two-day floor debate.

Much as it resisted the Mulvaney-Frank freeze, that loss for the Appropriations Committee leadership was more the exception — not the rule.

Deeper cuts proposed by liberal Democrats were easily defeated in most cases, and the underlying funding for military operations was never in any serious jeopardy.

http://www.nj.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2012/07/house_oks_606b_defense_budget.html

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Will Defense Cuts Kill the Anti-Tax Pledge?

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In 2011, congressional Republicans agreed to automatic spending cuts of $1.2 trillion beginning on January 1, 2013, divided equally between defense and domestic programs over 10 years, in return for agreeing to raise the federal debt limit. Now some are having second thoughts that could doom the tax pledge that has paralyzed deficit reduction efforts for two years.

At the time they made the deal, Republicans probably thought that last summer’s “super committee” would have no difficulty coming up with alternate deficit reduction measures to meet the $1.2 trillion target. Ultimately, however, the committee failed because Republicans adamantly opposed raising taxes by so much as one penny.

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After the failure of the super committee, I thought Republicans would just suck it up and accept the $600 billion in defense cuts. Since the cuts are spread over many years, I didn’t think this would have any meaningful impact on our defense capabilities and could be handled relatively easily.

Moreover, Republican Tea Party members have long said that everything should be on the table when it comes to cutting spending and the deficit. And since national defense accounts for 30 percent of federal spending it didn’t seem remotely realistic to me to leave it completely off the table.

Now, suddenly, many Republicans appear to be seriously panicked about the prospect of a defense sequester, so much so that some are now saying that tax increases may be preferable. At a hearing on Wednesday before the House Armed Services Committee, the CEOs of defense contractors Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney both said that higher taxes were preferable to automatic spending cuts and some GOP members of the committee agreed.

Fair-weather deficit hawks like the Wall Street Journal editorial page are attempting to explain why defense should be exempt from budget cuts and spending for the poor slashed even more to reduce the debt, while continuing to insist that taxes must not be increased. But the illogic of this position is wearing thin now that real defense cuts are in sight.

An important factor putting the defense sequester on the table now is an obscure law called the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, which requires companies anticipating mass layoffs to give workers at least 60 days advance notice. That means the layoff notices for defense contractors affected by the sequester on January 1 will be sent out no later than November 2, just 5 days before the election.

There is also evidence that the stocks of defense contractors are suffering as investors expect a big hit to earnings from layoffs related to the sequester.
Belatedly, some conservatives have now noticed that cuts in federal spending cost jobs. They are trumpeting a study by the Aerospace Industries Association predicting the loss of 2 million jobs if the defense sequester takes effect as scheduled. This includes not only jobs directly lost in the defense industry, but those indirectly lost as laid off workers cut back their spending for goods and services.

This is important because the Republican Party line since the beginning of the Obama administration has been that government spending is not stimulative and does not create jobs. That’s why every Republican voted against the $780 billion stimulus package in February 2009. Indeed, many Republicans, such as House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan, have argued that in fact spending cuts are stimulative.

It stands to reason that if cuts in defense spending cost jobs, then cuts in nondefense spending also cost jobs. And if spending cuts cost jobs, then spending increases must be able to create them.

The obvious way out of this dilemma is simple: raise taxes instead. Achieve the same amount of deficit reduction but by through higher revenues rather than defense spending cuts. Given that federal revenues are now just 15.8 percent of the gross domestic product, compared with a postwar average of about 18.5 percent, it’s obvious that revenues could rise a lot without jeopardizing economic growth.

But Republicans are boxed in by a pledge that virtually all of them have signed promising to never raise taxes. (The pledge doesn’t actually say that, but this is how it is commonly interpreted.) Very well financed groups such as the Club for Growth enforce the pledge vigorously, funding insurgent primary campaigns against any Republican who violates the pledge.

Furthermore, conservative economists such as Veronique de Rugy of the Mercatus Center continue to insist that tax increases are worthless for deficit reduction. Billionaire Charles Koch, who is a major funder of Republican political action groups, is a member of the Mercatus board.

Of course, the experience of the 1990s shows the conservative view to be complete nonsense. Contrary to Republican predictions that the 1993 tax increase would tank the economy and raise spending, thus providing no reduction in the deficit, the economy boomed and the deficit disappeared, giving the nation budget surpluses until Republican tax cuts dissipated them.

In any case, Republicans are now faced with a particular problem regarding defense cuts. The option of simply dumping another $600 billion in spending cuts on the poor is not an option as long as Democrats control the Senate and the White House. If nothing is done, the sequester will take effect automatically because it is already part of the law. And even if Mitt Romney becomes president, he won’t take office until 20 days after the sequester has begun and layoffs have already started.

Therefore, Republicans are between the rock of defense cuts that they view as unpalatable and the tax pledge hard place. There is no doubt that Democrats would agree to a tax increase to offset the defense sequester, but would oppose any other alternative except, perhaps, putting off the entire sequester, including domestic spending cuts, for a year. It’s doubtful that the GOP’s Tea Party wing would support that.

Republicans are not yet ready to embrace a tax increase even to prevent defense cuts. But it is clear that they are ultimately going to have to choose one or the other.

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    6 minutes ago – Childish Games Played in the Congress and the Senate …. Apr 22, 2012 – Apr 2, 2012 – इदं न मम: US Sovereign Debt Crisis DoubleSpeak and I … at … वसुधैव कुटुंबकम – Uncle Sam, Whistle Blower, Julian Assange …American law makers, both sides of aisle, must stop playing childish games. The matter of US debt burden is real and needs a common effort to be reduced before it blows the whole US economy to dust.

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  • RobM

    STOP MAKING SENSE!
    “It stands to reason that if cuts in defense spending cost jobs, then cuts in nondefense spending also cost jobs. And if spending cuts cost jobs, then spending increases must be able to create them”

  • dan25ny

    Actually, though the conclusions are relatively true, that logic is absolutely terrible.

  • AWHodge

    good post. i think Repubs will finally buckle maybe after high rate reversion. heres a hilarious scenario, humor unintentional, passed on by Rudy penner and some serious people. if the repubs wait till after taxes are raised. then a tax deal will bring rates DOWN from that. I am not making this up

  • Avoiding additional defense cuts is one element (the first $50 billion per year have already been swallowed). The real reason for a deal on taxes is the automatic expiration of the Bush cuts. Most households will barely notice this, but GOP donors will. If Obama looks like he will let them expire (and if he does, no one can stop him for the same reason defense cuts can’t be stopped), the GOP may just geek yet.

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Worried by the “sequestration” blade set to fall on defense budgets in January, Republicans are sounding alarms with special hearings, a flurry of press releases and bills that offer at least interim solutions.

But will Republicans also reconsider their “anti-tax hike” pledge to the powerful lobbyist Grover Norquist? A rising chorus of critics, including some prominent Republicans, argue they must, and soon, if Congress is to avoid a devastating hit to military readiness and America’s defense industry.

“Grover Norquist is wandering the earth in his white robes saying if you raise taxes one penny he’ll defeat you,” former Republican senator Alan Simpson recently told CNN. “He can’t murder you. He can’t burn your house. The only thing he can do…is defeat you for reelection. And if that means more to you than your country…you shouldn’t even be in Congress.”

Simpson co-chaired with Erskine Bowles the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform which, like every bipartisan examination of the debt crisis, urged a “balanced” solution: a large proportion of savings from slowing growth in popular entitlement programs, like Medicare and Social Security, and a smaller portion from raising tax revenues.

Republicans so far have rejected any tax increases. But their anti-tax pledge to Norquist and his group, Americans for Tax Reform, is on a collision course with another tradition for Republicans, protecting defense budgets.

Major defense contractors Wednesday warned that because of the sequestration threat of deep and arbitrary cuts across all defense programs starting Jan. 2, they have slowed hiring, shelved pending contracts and could begin laying off ten of thousands of employees by October.

Rep. Harold “Buck” McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, called the hearing to alert the nation to another threat from sequestration. But Rep. Adam Smith (N.Y.), the committee’s ranking Democrat, reminded McKeon and colleagues how they got into this fix.

It was House Republicans, he said, who refused last summer to raise the debt ceiling without a deal to cut deficit spending without raising taxes. The result was the Budget Control Act. It directed a trillion dollars in cuts over 10 years including $487 billion from defense. The act, which McKeon voted for and Smith did not, also established a “super committee” of Republicans and Democrats with extraordinary powers to design and hustle through Congress a second round of cuts worth $1.5 trillion over a decade.

The law also specified if no deal was reached then $1.2 trillion in “sequestration,” or automatic across-the-board cuts would occur, starting in 2013. The defense budget share is about $500 billion, or $55 billion a year over nine years, on top of the $487 billion in cuts already planned.

The super committee failed. Norman Ornstein of the conservative American Enterprise Institute, co-author of a best-selling book on the current Congress, “It’s Even Worse Than It Looks,” largely blames Republicans.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell appointed “ardent anti-tax” colleague to the committee so the only Republican offer to emerge sought trillions in tax cuts in return for closing $300 billion of unspecified tax loopholes. “A ridiculous deal,” Ornstein said.

By contrast, super committee Democrats offered significant cuts in the growth of entitlements in return for tax increases proposed by Simpson-Bowles and by a bipartisan group of senators called the “Gang of Six.” With no Republican support, those concessions were withdrawn, Ornstein said.

One Gang of Six member, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, all but declared war on the anti-tax lobbyist Sunday with a commentary in the New York Times titled, “Norquist’s Phantom Army.” Coburn argued that Norquist, and Democrats, are exaggerating his influence.

Ornstein does see growing unease among Republicans handcuffed to the anti-tax pledge. Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) have suggested raising taxes to protect defense. McKeon did too, last December, but hasn’t since.

Claude Chafin, McKeon’s spokesman, said the chairman still believes the “real driver of our debt” is mandatory spending not low taxes. He wants Democrats to make a “counter offer” to his bill, which would delay the effect of sequestration for a year by cutting the size of the federal workforce.

“If you’re unwilling to raise revenue, you better be willing to make dramatic cuts in defense,” Smith warned in a phone interview, because cutting non-defense programs alone can’t deliver enough savings. That’s the simple math that has drives every study on the $17 trillion debt toward a balanced solution, he said.

McKeon, who has signed the anti-tax pledge, didn’t discuss raising taxes to get a budget deal at the hearing with defense contractors. Rep. Robert E. Andrews (D-N.J.) wasn’t as encumbered.

David P. Hess, president of Pratt & Whitney, said defense companies are making the tough decisions now on right-sizing their work force and closing facilities. So, he said, “I think everything has got to be on the table at this point.” Hess cautioned that this was only his personal opinion.

Robert J. Stevens, chairman and CEO of Lockheed Martin, said his method of addressing budget challenges is “to put into the recipe every possible ingredient” to get “a flexible array of solutions.”

Andrews reminded the executives that, to save Social Security in the early 1980s, President Reagan twice signed bills that raised revenue. Republicans “would be wise to follow President Reagan’s example in this time of national emergency,” he said.

“Oh that we had President Reagan,” McKeon quipped.

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