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Is Dick Cheney getting something out of this? Most probably, he is. I see no major war on the horizon. Even if there is one, for argument’s sake, say, with Iran, all the power needed to win it is already present in the immediate area of war and accounted for.

I see no reason to even think about any other war. With China or would it be with Putin’s Russia? Which war Dick Cheney is talking about? War with Martian aliens or Malaysian monkeys?

Just for the record, Mitt Romney campaign were suggesting that Dick Cheney would be a right fit as a vice president. I like that idea, come to think about it, between these two, they would jump at a slightest opportunity to make war. Perhaps with the Barack Obama.

Start planning burning of the White House and looting and pillaging Washington, DC.

…and I am Sid Harth@webworldismyoyster.com

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Rand Paul’s quiet war against more defense spending.

By David Weigel|Posted Monday, July 23, 2012, at 12:16 PM ET

Rand Paul’s stance on the defense budget makes him a lonely figure among Republican senators

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Shortly after noon last Tuesday, Dick Cheney slipped out of an elevator and into the Lyndon Baines Johnson room where Republican senators hold a weekly lunch. His mission: convince them that $700 billion of automatic defense spending cuts, put in place by 2011’s debt limit deal, had to be overturned. His audience, judging by the bursts of applause, was awfully receptive. As they left, they paused to tell reporters just how convincing Cheney had been.

“One thing that the vice president pointed out,” said Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., “was when you make these cuts across the board in the way that sequestration does, it’s not only the impact on today, it will make a long-term impact on the Defense Department.” Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., translated Cheney’s argument that defense spending is “not a spigot you can turn on and turn off, that you need to keep money flowing in a predictable way so you can plan for the next war.”

There was only a small path between the senators, their scrums, and the exits. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., found that path and called an elevator. Only one reporter noticed him and started asking for details from inside the Cheney seminar.

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“It was a private meeting,” said Paul. “I’m not going to talk about it.” The reporter tried again. “Right, again, it was a private meeting.” In the few seconds before the elevator arrived, you could read between the lines. Paul, unlike most of his peers, was not going along with Cheney.

On Thursday, the freshman senator met with a small group of reporters and foreign policy analysts to explain himself further.

“Most people in our conference,” said Paul, “are on the side [that thinks] that they need to do anything now to avoid the military sequester. I think there is a little bit of irony in that most of them voted for the military sequester. I didn’t vote for it. They all voted to raise the debt ceiling with a military sequester, and now they’re all basically caterwauling about it.”

The sequester was basically designed for caterwaulers. In order to extend the debt limit through to 2013, most Republicans and Democrats eventually agreed to $1.4 trillion of “triggered” cuts—sequesters. Half of the money would be taken out of domestic discretionary spending over 10 years; half would be taken from the defense budget over 10 years, a slash of around 8 percent. “It was designed to be painful,” explained Sen. Harry Reid, so that the “supercommittee” would cut even more from the budget, in targeted ways. That would have pre-empted the sequester.

But the supercommittee failed and Congress—largely Republicans—started testing out ways of saving a defense budget that reached $608 billion this year. In May, the Republican House narrowly passed a “sequester replacement” that shunted all the cuts over to the discretionary side.

“They seem to say, ‘Well, we are for certain revisions to make the military more efficient,’ ” said Paul. “I’m of the belief that nothing around you will ever be efficient unless the top line number is lower. So, they don’t like what they call sequester. To me, that means that the top line number is lower, and if you really believe in savings in the military budget or else you’d have to find the savings, you’d be forced to find the savings. If they could offset it with true one-to-one spending cuts somewhere else, I might consider supporting that. If it’s like most of the games they play around here—they give us cuts over 10 years to pay for something over one year—I’m not going to vote for that, because really, we’re going back on what we promised the American people during that whole battle was that we’re going to be more fiscally responsible.”

Paul didn’t take a position on the Ryan “sequester replacement.” That plan won’t make it through the Senate, anyway. But he disagreed with it in spirit. “Conservatives defend military spending,” he said. “Liberals defend domestic spending. The idea [is] that both sides get together and compromises and we reduce all spending … and right now, and really for the last 50 years, we’ve done the opposite. Our compromise has always been: We raise military spending and we raise domestic welfare spending. So when people say we’re not compromising, they’re missing it completely. We’re compromising all the time to spend more money.”

What about the Cheney argument? The former vice president is really only the most famous, most political person making it. The same day he toured the hill, Lockheed’s president made the same pitch. How are the politicians of 2012 supposed to know what the military will need for future conflicts?

“I think you do need to plan ahead,” said Paul. “Start planning in advance, but that doesn’t mean it can only be done with X dollars.” That hasn’t been proven to him. “Look at [the idea of] auditing the Pentagon. They’ve been talking about having an audit for 30 years probably. They’ve now said it’s coming in 2017. And my guess is that in 2016 it’s going to be 2024, in 2023 they’ll tell us it’s going to be 2030. But I bet you if we said next year you’ve got to meet this sequester, maybe then all of a sudden they’ll say ‘Well why don’t we jettison some of the crap here we’re doing we don’t need?’ They’ll never do it unless their top line number is ever reduced.”

The debt limit passed without Paul’s vote. He’s threatened to filibuster deals that appalled him before, then decided against it. If and when Republicans try and jam back the defense money, they are not counting on Paul’s support. He knows that.

“There are people who say, ‘oh, we will do this if we’re ever in charge. We’re going to do it in a much more streamline fashion.’ Well. We’ve been in charge. And it never changed when we were in charge.”

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SiDevilIam

Is Dick Cheney getting something out of this? Most probably, he is. I see no major war on the horizon. Even if there is one, for argument’s sake, say, with Iran, all the power needed to win it is already present in the immediate area of war and accounted for.I see no reason to even think about any other war. With China or would it be with Putin’s Russia? Which war Dick Cheney is talking about? War with Martian aliens or Malaysian monkeys?Just for the record, Mitt Romney campaign were suggesting that Dick Cheney would be a right fit as a vice president. I like that idea, come to think about it, between these two, they would jump at a slightest opportunity to make war. Perhaps with the Barack Obama.

Start planning burning of the White House and looting and pillaging Washington, DC.

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Usus

Wouldn’t a Keynesian argue against a Defense spending cut?

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fgh567

I’m thinking most of you don’t care about defense or anything else for that matter. I’m thinking you all must be a bunch of fat lazy slobs, sitting around on the couch, eating twinkies and holding your hand out, hoping Obama will fill it with “free” government goodies. I’m thinking you all are thinnking communism is a really cool idea. I’m thinking the US of A has less than one more generation to survive. I’m thinking you all are really are too stupid to tie your own shoes.

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KB01

Rand Paul is a nut but…Realistically, our military is so bloated from unnecessary weapon systems and tied up in a myriad of wars, peacekeeping missions, and permanent foreign bases, would it even be possible to fight or even fund a major war?

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As much as I disagree with basically all of Rand Paul’s politics, he has reasonable stances on military and social security reform.

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Daedalus

Wow, a Republican with some philosophical integrity?

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mojomo

Philosophical integrity? He claims to be a libertarian, but he opposes abortion rights.

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cs30109

Even libertarians can oppose the right to kill people.

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mrbeanatural

Paul was a Tea Party favorite here in the great state of Kentucky. I held my nose and voted for him only because his opponent was worse. I have to say, I’m liking my choice more as he gains more experience and stands up to the incompetence and idiocy of his and my (former) party.

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icemilkcoffee

In other words, you are voting for Rand Paul so he can fix the mistakes made by those previous republicans you’ve voted into office.

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mrbeanatural

Really? You want to go there? All of the nutjobs in Congress, even the ones from other districts and other states, are my fault? Spare me your ridiculous indignation.

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Kenneth Kinnison

I’ve gained [ ] much respect for him. Which is actually several multiples.

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Kenneth Kinnison

Awwww it edited out my whitespace. Sad day.

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The Tick

Since the Soviet Union is gone and Chine is too dependant on us, why do we need to spend more than the next 15 militaries in the world combined? If our military spending was applied to education, health care, infrastructure maintenance, upgrades and replacement what would our nation look like? All the miltary programs, weapon systems and materials is spread-out to be manufactured in numerous states, and in powerful congressman’s districts. It’s nothing more than pork.

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mojomo

“Why do we need to spend more than the next 15 militaries in the world combined?” Because military policy is industrial policy – we are subsidizing an array of industries and directly or indirectly employing millions of people. And because our military policy is designed in significant part to subsidize the consumption of petroleum products here and to keep petroleum flowing to our allies and trading partners in Europe.

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John Stein

Why is the former Vice President shilling for the defense industry? Because he’s a lobbyist and Halliburton. He’s totally corrupt.

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cs30109

Hm. I don’t know much about Rand Paul but I’ll have to look some stuff up on him. I’m glad to hear *somebody* has some skepticism about our military budget.

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The Tick

He’s like his dad. An idiot with only a few working brain cells.

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Tick,Absolutely, I like that he talks about needing to compromise by cutting spending in defense and domestic areas. But I just don’t understand why he feels the debt limit ceiling is where he wants to battle it out. The debt limit ceiling is needed to pay obligations that Congress has already lawfully made. Without repealing some of the spending they have a duty to ensure the United States can pay on it’s bills and debts.

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JumpingJackFlash

Assuming that’s true (which is debatable in itself), that’s still few cells more than anyone else in Congress

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Jeff

Agreed. It’s not how many brain cells you have but how you use them.

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“One thing that the vice president pointed out,” said Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., “was when you make these cuts across the board in the way that sequestration does, it’s not only the impact on today, it will make a long-term impact on the Defense Department.”One thing the vice president pointed out is that we lied then, we’re lying now, and we’re going to lie again later.

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mrbeanatural

Shouldn’t that be FORMER Vice President? and Thank God for that.

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icemilkcoffee

Well- it all makes sense- once you start lying, you can’t just stop lying suddenly. It’s not a spigot you can turn on and off at will. You have to continue lying so you can lie for the next war.

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JimmyBobby

“…you need to keep money flowing in a predictable way so you can plan for the next war.”Does anything else need to be said about the mind-set of these insane people?

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Someone probably needs to explain it to them.

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